Grand Orient of the United States of America?

[BC2006]

This is the "rub." You guys claim not to care about the Grand orient of the USA. You also claim that the GOdF are "unrecognized" or even better "fake Masons." Then we get the cries and moans. Get real. Not everyone is as stupid as you think they are.

Try to remember you all took an oath to be upstanding men of good report. I would not think that that includes "telling tales out of school" or so the saying goes.

Draw whatever conclusion you would want from my words. God knows you all will anyway.

[fylfot]

Originally Posted by BC2006

This is the "rub." You guys claim not to care about the Grand orient of the USA. You also claim that the GOdF are "unrecognized" or even better "fake Masons." Then we get the cries and moans. Get real. Not everyone is as stupid as you think they are.

Try to remember you all took an oath to be upstanding men of good report. I would not think that that includes "telling tales out of school" or so the saying goes.

Draw whatever conclusion you would want from my words. God knows you all will anyway.

No, Brad, that is not the rub. Whatever any of us feel or do not feel toward the GOdF has nothing to do with individuals barreling into masonic fora and making claims that cannot be confirmed (and, really, I've never given you my thoughts on the GOdF, so it cannot be claimed that I hold any opinion upon which you or anybody can comment). To add insult to injury and the murder of reason, insulting people in order to avoid the real rub: if the claims are true or not, or just merely boasts toward authenticity. Frankly, we've seen this stuff before for a number of years--even before you came around. This is nothing new, although the truth is even thinner and the game is getting shorter.

Of course, you will not believe this anyway, but you cannot lie yourself into believing that it is ok to insult people that ask honest questions with an endless and tired stream of reasons why you do not have to answer the question. Ok, don't answer it. However, the manner in which a request for an answer is rejected is very telling. So, if you claim that it is unfair that we all think you guys are stupid, then stop acting like it.

Finally, do you think that we are also that stupid that we cannot do our own fact checking on this matter? Think again. You seem to ignore the fact that many of us do not live in an insulated masonic world and have contacts over the world.

Brother, I pray that you drop the paint brush and step out of the corner...

[Gregg Hall]

I just asked Brother Fred, who is a real live member of the GOdF if such an accord exists.... That should be simple enough.

[BC2006]

Originally Posted by Gregg Hall

I just asked Brother Fred, who is a real live member of the GOdF if such an accord exists.... That should be simple enough.

Brother Paris Fred is not a member of the GOdF as I am sure he will tell you so himself. Really again, what does it matter to you seeing how the GOdF are "fake" masons anyway? Did you guys tell them this before you would start a dialog? I suspect not and if why not tell them how you feel? Perhaps you can start a campaign to destroy the "real lives" of those that disgree with you as you have me. Honestly you are pigs, not anywhere close to men. When I was a younger man this would have been handled with fists, now it seems that these things are settled amongst your group by getting a man fired, or mental abuse. Let me ask you "men" and "Masons" a question. Should I be let go from my job because you guys hate me and my Masonic obedience (emails are flooding by you pricks demanding my dismissal) will you then take up the responsibility of taking care of my family? Who will then be responisble for the mortgage, the food on the table, the car payments, the health care then the bone marrow transplants? Those payments don't wait!! Ever think about that you jerkoffs?

So in the end just shut the hell up unless you are willing to write the check.

BRAD!!!!

[BC2006]

Believe me guys YOU do not want to talk about lies or "fraud." Let us not forget the year long charade of John Doe PM. Only throw stones if they cannot be thrown back. The B.S. is be calling called to the carpet.

ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

[fylfot]

Brad, I am sorry for your troubles but I seriously doubt that any of us here have the time or the energy to harass you in your private life. Moreover, I don't know one person here that even knows where you work or what you do, or where you reside for that matter. Personally, I have zero interest in pursuing such inane activities.

I have explained everything to you in private and I feel that you lashing out again is inappropriate, moreover many others know and have perspective on our contact. Nobody has done anything to you except have discussions. I urge you to step back and get yourself well, bro. Nobody is persecuting you here and your recent postings underly some serious issues that have nothing to do with any of us. Please seek perspective and do not lay the blame at our feet.

And I hardly think that my having a limited lark with a sock puppet on a forum constitutes fraud; if that was so, Burning Taper would have no posters.

[BC2006]

Originally Posted by fylfot

Brad, I am sorry for your troubles but I seriously doubt that any of us here have the time or the energy to harass you in your private life. Moreover, I don't know one person here that even knows where you work or what you do, or where you reside for that matter. Personally, I have zero interest in pursuing such inane activities.

I have explained everything to you in private and I feel that you lashing out at me again is inappropriate, moreover many others know and have perspective on our contact. I have done nothing to you except have discussions. I urge you to step back and get yourself well, bro. Nobody is persecuting you here and your recent postings underly some serious issues that have nothing to do with any of us. Please seek perspective and do not lay the blame at our feet.

And I hardly think that my having a limited lark with a sock puppet on a forum constitutes fraud; if that was so, Burning Taper would have no posters.

It was not you Adam. It was/is one of your stable mates who is coming after me hardcore in real life. You might want to take things up with this human pig.

Luckily I am a nice guy.

[Gregg Hall]

I don't concider them to be "fake" masons as you put it, I concider them to be unrecognized masons. Which means I can't sit in their lodges, and they can't sit in mine, and I can not share grips, signs and words with them, not that they couldn't find those online if they wanted them, I just can't share them because I gave my word.

I can assure you that I have nothing to do with you in your real life as you put it. Nor do I have any inclination to find out.

[RickB]

Thread closed, stop the bickering.