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Old 08-27-2008, 05:06 PM
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How ritual based in metaphor, allegory and symbolism can have literal obligations with symbolic penalties?


Perhaps I should just turn my brain off?
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Old 08-27-2008, 05:37 PM
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I wonder how many Masonic message boards you have been banned from.

Then I wonder why you continue to subject yourself to such criticism.

Then I wonder why you have this love/hate relationship to Freemasonry.

Then I wonder if you will ever truly come to terms with the amount of destruction you have wrought in trying to justify your Masonic mythology.

Then I wonder what's for dinner.
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Old 08-27-2008, 05:59 PM
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Can you please stay on topic?
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How ritual based in metaphor, allegory and symbolism can have literal obligations with symbolic penalties?


Perhaps I should just turn my brain off?

What are you talking about?? Please elaborate.
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The Obligations regarding divulging Masonic secrets, clandestine Masons and women Masons are taken very literally by many. The penalties like have your throat slit form ear to ear are taken as symbolic by all.
My question is why? How can the obligations be literal rules with symbolic penalties
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The obligation is a promise made in the presence of God to your brethren--this is obvious because the wording belies this fact. Too many recently have erroneously declared that their promise was to God and themselves, usually in an attempt to be relativistic in their desire to take and break their obligations. The penalties are symbolic of what should happen to your conscience should you make the choice to reveal that which you have been taught to conceal.

Were these Masonic penalties been real in former times? Hardly. Otherwise we'd have fewer Masons and fewer bad ones to boot. Seriously, though, in Freemasonry, there is no historical incidence of the penalties being enacted. One may think they were with Morgan. Maybe, but his body was never found. More importantly, there was very little evidence, even in his time, that he was ever a Mason.

So, for all intents and purposes, we cannot even consider him. That out of the way, let's go forward with the idea that the penalties are some of the worse things to have happen to one's body. Thinking about them being done on oneself is enough to cause shock and horror. Grab that emotion. Good. Now, this is precisely what you should feel when you lie, cheat, steal or act like a dill.
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All good Adam, but how can 90% of the ritual by symbolic allegory and 10% be cut in stone literal fact? I am asking because this is not rational to me.
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All good Adam, but how can 90% of the ritual by symbolic allegory and 10% be cut in stone literal fact? I am asking because this is not rational to me.

I'm not following you here.

Allegory affects us on a subconscious and visceral level. It produces emotions not born from normal language and points to ideas/truths, or reminds us of them in order that we may manifest them in our own lives. There is no conferral of special powers. If they are indeed that, it was because they went unrecognized in that individual. Again, I'll refer to my previous post in regard to the penalties.
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Old 08-27-2008, 08:55 PM
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In California we say, "...under no less a penalty..." which leaves the door open for the real penalty - that of expulsion. So you could say it's all literal, from a certain point of view.
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